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tom wrote: > Paul Sutton wrote: > >> Grant Sewell wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:33:00 +0000 >>> Paul Sutton wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> james kilty wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 10:50 +0000, Tom Potts wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> We had thousands of >>>>>> 'Management Consultants' giving courses and advice on management >>>>>> methods. They were all American, over here because their 'skills' >>>>>> had been tried and found seriously wanting in the States. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> And how may times and at what expense has the NHS been reorganised >>>>> using management consultants? >>>>> >>>>> I think if we can offer support and advice, even training, we might >>>>> be able to drip feed our points about the benefit to schools and >>>>> pupils. County Councils and schools - perhaps as parents (or grand >>>>> parents) certainly as school governors. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I agree, lets just do it, (see below) I am more than keen to get >>>> involved with this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I will have another go at my daughter's school - alas my days as >>>>> governor are long over. Ayt least I can offer an imput to year 11 >>>>> and see how well it goes down. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> The latest buzz word in schools is "learning platforms" essentially >>>> online learning so the students can continue at home, and submit work >>>> and collaborate with classmates while at hone on projects. >>>> >>>> The leading platform for this is moodle, there are offerings by >>>> companies such as RM (yeah I know) but its closed source etc, moodle >>>> however is the most used world wide, is available to everyone. >>>> There was an article on the site a while back or linked from the site >>>> that looked at both commercial and the oss offerings, not sure where >>>> it is, a hard copy is at work in the staff room. >>>> >>>> Anyway I printed this off and its currently in the school staff room >>>> >>>> suffice to say if we are to offer such services to schools they must >>>> >>>> be affordable to the school as no extra money is in the budget for >>>> this be a complete package, we need to approach schools sell moodle >>>> by its strength, and world wide usage. >>>> ask what happens if you goto suppplier X, you get staff trained up, >>>> that person leaves, to replace with a person with package X skills >>>> you are going to end up paying more >>>> go with moodle and there is a much larger pool of staff to >>>> potentially fill that gap in staffing, >>>> a complete package may be, for one school hosting, cost per month >>>> low, initial set up, training, tech support, etc etc, all need to >>>> be offered. I >>>> >>>> I think as a lug we need to actually get together, and perhaps set >>>> something up, there are people here with all the required skills to >>>> setup a business, and there are people like looking for work / >>>> training and want to get involved, >>>> >>>> I alone could probably get moodle up and running on debian. apt-get >>>> install moodle. but it needs someone who knows and understand >>>> education to get the most from it. we can offer a package to local >>>> schools but all work together on this one, perhaps set up a devon >>>> and cornwall moodle mailing list, which can also be used by schools >>>> to find staff, etc. >>>> >>>> Its possible, i just have no idea regarding how to set up a business >>>> for this type of things, but the opportunity is there we just need >>>> to grab it before someone like RM get in there and charge what ever >>>> they charge per month for hosting, >>>> >>>> get moodle in to schools show how good OSS is, and its a stepping >>>> stone to other OSS software in schools. and we are there to help >>>> support it, >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> >>> Was going to split up your message and reply to it piecemeal, but >>> decided against it as it all fits together nicely. >>> >>> Anyway, to my point... it's would also be worth mentioning to the >>> Schools that the local Colleges also use Moodle. Certainly Cornwall >>> College do (and we are the largest... so nerrr :D) and I know Truro >>> *did* and I'm pretty sure they still so, and I believe Penwith does >>> too. Other than those, I'm not sure who uses what, but it's well liked >>> and used in FE/HE. >>> >>> Cheers. >>> Grant. >>> >>> >>> >> I will try and find out what south devon college uses. >> >> Paul >> >> > > I think Churston Grammer uses Moodle for VLE (Virtual Learning > Environment). The biggest problem is BECTA funnily enough. > > Once upon a time BECTA thought of itself as a collective tendering > station for schools, attempting to negotiate deals with Hardware and > Software Suppliers. > > Later it expanded it role to offering advice on best ICT practice and > configuration. Only now is it realising that Collective tendering is > still to expensive for schools (eg VISTA rollout etc). > > BECTA has now been implying that "brave" schools might split off and use > FLOSS, or form collectives to share FLOSS skills. BUT what most schools > do is look down BECTA's list of recommended suppliers, since none of > them are FLOSS (since FLOSS is free to download), the schools don't get > to know about it, or if they do, don't know where they can "purchase" it > from a BECTA preferred supplier. > > So on the one hand BECTA would like to see more schools try FLOSS, but > on the other because of their historic practices (and those of the > schools they lead) BECTA's prefered supplier list is suppressing the > FLOSS market. > > One of the FLOSS models is to sell services ... There is a BIG market > out there for supplying services to schools eg Moodle hosting - secure > and safe forums for kids etc .... But tapping into that market is > difficult with the likes of RM, SCOMIS, Viglen and Microsoft cornering > the marketplace. > > Forums for PTA's might be a good start. > > Tom. > > > So can we do that, set up a forum, and invite PTA's on board using the contacts we have in schools, Teachers seem far to busy to deal with this, so what is needed is a way for them to hand over the package to someone else. I would like to know how teachers are meant to find the time to create moodle lessons, in between teaching, marking, planning, reviews, meetings etc etc etc. So is it posssible to set up How about we write a review of moodle for one of the primary teaching magazines, I am sure they are always looking for content, and it could be a good way to promote the group (dclug) and put schools into contact with people that can help. A Page on the lug wiki perhaps. I am work in shortly, so will try and grab some e-mails so I can investigate further. perhaps contact one of the magazines and ask if they would accept articles submitted by readers, etc. do you have some references to what you said above about becta trying toget schools to use floss, it makes life easier when e-mailing schools to be able to include links to relate pages to back up what is being said. thanks Paul -- Support open file formats use ISO 26300 Open Document format as used by openoffice.org, http:///www.openoffice.org visit us on IRC - irc.flashtek-uk.com / 6667 #dclug -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GIT d S: a C+++ UL++++ P+ L++ W++ N+ W--- O! V! PS+ Y! t+++ 5 X+++ R tv- b- DI! D++ G e H! r! z? -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK---- -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html