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On 04/09/14 20:30, Simon Avery wrote: > On 3 September 2014 23:33, Daniel Robinson <manipula@xxxxxxxxx > <mailto:manipula@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: > > The website needs the reluctant wise guys from the mailing list to > leave a topic or two on fundamental things that need to be done in > order to create the Linux we all desire, the info is held tightly in > the mailing list and unless you want to wade through the archive > there is no humanoid access to the read learn rinse produce effect > of online tutorials and how two guides. > > Is that in response to my comment? If it came across as that, I > apologise - I was trying to give some constructive comments and suggestions. I think this may have been a *whoosh*, and Daniel was being amusingly sarcastic but I agree it's hard to tell. For what it's worth, I also agree with your comments. Whilst I definitely wish the project well and personally think the website looks cool (have you all not heard? this is 2014, and functionality is totally out of fashion - how the site *looks* is what's important) I do think it's 99.9% likely to fall by the wayside as a project. Minimal fully functional Linux distro? If only there was such a thing! Except for the thousands of them that are already in existence. Most of which are already fully realised, ready to download and fully staffed up. Something that this project is a million miles away from. Perhaps the guys doing this just have an itch to scratch. Maybe it's as much a learning project as anything else - who doesn't want to be able to say they're a maintainer, kernel hacker or distro contributor? Let alone a distro head lead. "Yeah, I run my own distro because all the other linux systems weren't quite good enough so I thought I'd do my own." You have to admit that's pretty cool right there. If a little bit mad. I'm slowly approaching Japanese fluency, so for me é means something, and it's a pretty cool name/styling choice*. But I have a major niggle: the minimalistic, explains-nothing home page (that I really like) has gigantic, stupid and massively offputting social media crap spread right across it. I'd be prepared to bet good money that over 50% of the intended audience for a minimal, specialist, cut down linux distro that hit that landing page would take a 1 second look at the hateful Facebook/Twitter/Google logos in massive, obtrusive right in your face central positioning and immediately say "screw that shit". I know that I would. If it wasn't for the fact that someone on this list was involved, I would immediately jettison it within moments of my allergies to social media kicking in. So this is my advice to the ToriOS project: keep at it, there can never be too many people hacking away on Linux and making their own systems from scratch. Don't bother dumbing down the front page, it looks totally cool and realistically you're never going to be anything approaching mainstream (Ubuntu and RedHat can't do it: you don't have a hope in hell) so totally do whatever you want. If people are too stupid to click on the massive, obvious "wiki", "forum", "news" etc links right in their face at the top of the page to find out what the site is about they're obviously going to fail at life so badly they're never going to be able to keep up anyway. So screw them. What you do want to do is get rid of the properly offensive in-your-face social media pimping right there on the landing page. You are alienating and pissing off approximately 100% of your target audience immediately. It does nothing for you except make you look like run of the mill morons with a sideline in unquestioning compliance. Why in the name of god would you do such a thing? Like you on facebook? Are you kidding me? Follow your twitter account? I don't think so. You are doing yourselves a big disservice here. Either way, I downloaded the ISO while I was typing this and will boot a VM in a sec. Good luck gentlemen. * for the Japanese impaired, just look it up. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq