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On Mon, 3 May 2010 11:55:38 +0100 (BST) Gordon Henderson wrote: > There are people like me who stick with what they know - and I've had > the same desktop layout and style since the early 90's when FVWM1 was > first announced. Back then I used it on a Tektronics Colour X > terminal with a resolution of 1280x1024 hosted of a Sun Sparcstation > - a stupidly expensive beast at the time! When I got my first Linux > box (c1994) I was reduced to a mere 800x600 as that's all I could > afford at the time - until I got a 2nd-hand 1024x768 monitor (15" > diagonal ;-) > > Now, it's back up to 1280x1024 on an LCD display - but that's now 3 > years old, so thinking of a replacement - maybe. Nice! When I started with Linux I was running with a 15" CRT with a native resolution of 1024x768 already! I then became a bit of a screen-realestate junkie and a couple of years later 'upgraded' to a 19" CRT that had a native resolution of 1280x1024 but could be pushed up a fair bit higher. Some years after that I took custody of a nice 21" CRT that can do 1920xsomething. Unfortunately that isn't in current usage. I don't *need* all that screen real estate, but I like it. Alas my current main machine is my laptop with a measly 1280x800. > If I Left-click on the desktop it brings up a menu of "stuff" - > mostly local applications, and xterms running ssh to remote sites and > servers... > > I have tried others - but they're full of junk and rubbish that I > really don't get on with - multi colour backgrounds, transparency > (huh?) and silly effects which do nothing other than to slow > everything down and make me irritated and get in the way of my work. > I also feel that I don't need a "desktop" environment - but maybe > because I'm a command-line junkie and I can find/edit, whatever files > from a command line much quicker than navigating through a graphical > represenation and trying to remember which way the alphabet goes - I > can usually type a filename in quicker than I can find it in those > browser things. That's why I liked Sawfish so much! No 'desktop' metaphor, no unnecessary taskbars (by default). I had keyboard shortcuts for pretty much everything and I'm pretty sure I had a terminal session open on every virtual screen. I also disliked minimizing anything so I had tonnes of virtual screens so I could have everything open full screen all the time. > I'll leave you to stick with your lucid lurex experience - I've no > plans to move from fvwm and Debian for some time yet. For me, it > seems more and more that it's going the "vendor lock-in" way. Losing > control, little choices and so on. And that may be fine for a lot of > people, but it's not for me. Haha! Lucid lurex. I love it! I do dislike the removal of options and features, or the hiding of said options and features, but I do appreciate that I can still change a lot of things easily. And it's not like Ubuntu are the only ones. A standard Debian system with Gnome has many of the same shortcomings as a standard Ubuntu system with Gnome, as does Slackware with Gnome... I'm starting to see a pattern here. :D (I also dislike what KDE did in the move from 3.x to 4.x.) Grant. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html