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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 20/12/2010 19:34, tom wrote: > On 20/12/10 15:28, Grant Sewell wrote: >> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:15:10 +0000 >> tom wrote: >> >>> On 20/12/10 12:22, Gordon Henderson wrote: >>>> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010, tom wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 20/12/10 11:50, Gordon Henderson wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010, Grant Sewell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> So how is it that I can create a FAT32 filesystem without hassle >>>>>>> under most Linux systems? In order to play MP3s or watch DVDs I >>>>>>> have to jump >>>>>>> through hoops, but I seem to be able to create Microsoft-owned >>>>>>> filesystems without having to jump through any hoops or pay >>>>>>> anybody any >>>>>>> money. >>>>>> AIUI - FATxxx is so "open" and widely adopted that it's patents >>>>>> aren't that enforcable, but what MS does keep a tight grip on is >>>>>> the extended filename mechanism that's an extension to FAT.. So >>>>>> if you're happy with uppercase 8+3 filenames, then feel free, but >>>>>> if you want nice mixed case long filenames then pay MS... >>>>>> >>>>>> Of-course IANAL ... >>>>>> >>>>> Google for Tom Tom Fat and save on heating with the boiling blood >>>>> of righteous indignation this winter. >>>> I remember it well - and my understanding is that it was the >>>> long-filename extensions that they were penalised for.. >>>> >>>> But maybe I need to read it again. >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>> And do you know of anyone that would be happy with 8+3 on a USB - the >>> irony being that Tom Tom could probably have modified their >>> requirements so the Tom Tom would work with 8+3 and avoided any >>> requirement to pay MS. But they obviously worked out it was cheaper >>> to pay MS than expect their programmers to be able to remember/cope >>> with it/somehow backdate all those ones already sold with fat32 on >>> out there. Could you cope with using a FAT disk to write to? >>> Tom te tom te tom >> Is it possible to get mkfs.vfat to create a FAT32 filesystem but >> without the long filename support? I couldn't find the relevant >> options in the man page. Or is "long filename support" an inherent >> attribute of FAT32 (whereas it wasn't for earlier FATs)? >> >> Grant. >> > It probably is - the long file name support was just hidden file with > the alternate names. Assuming you can get an unformatted drive in the > first place... > Tom te tom te tom > <2p> If you purchase an OEM hard drive from a computer shop you must first partition it.. This means there is no FS.. as such no MS tax.. Why not buy OEM HDD and a USB reader ;-) Cheap enough !! </2p> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0PsNYACgkQz3Av8JKgzxRZsQCeKYuz0smABFuVsCuvo1Yw4BU9 jecAn3VplvUMy5i3sGVoPI5R862IUhK+ =0vEb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq