Re: [LUG] OT - Small Wireless Access Points?

[Dan Lewis <danlewis.ltd@xxxxxxxxx>]

Umm whats there to tell - here is the link in english http://www.telenor.com/en/news-and-media/news/2009/Telenor-Tele2-build-joint-4G-network-Sweden

Generally speaking my experience has been that for some reason here in sweden they are obsessed with ultra fast access to the internet nation wide, i think that someone high in the civil service made a "sweden online" plan several years ago and since then have allowed it to blossom. 

If you look at a country like Japan who have had 4g for a while and are moving to 5g soon (i seem to recall) the people have benefited immensely, i was there for 3 months in 2003 and had the cheapest of phones - like 5 pounds. but it had internet radio and email. I didnt send sms's just emailed people and you were charged a fix rate on the amount of data you sent. same with the radio. And the number of people using the phone for video chat was amazing - kids talking to there mums, deff people doing one handed signing - very cool to watch.

And best of all - it was cheap as there was an abundance of bandwith which forced the companies into a price war.

Now how can people in england not fathom the benefits - its not about how fast you can illegally download  a film as has been the yard stick for the uneducated for a while. an attitude of "who cares if it takes 8 hours instead of 4 i would rather save my money" its just dumb.

I was out shopping for a new package deal for my friend and for 360 swedish krowns a month - 30 pounds he got an entry level TV box with 720p and recording - like the one sky does in the uk. then there was a 20 mb internet connection, home telephone line and mobile phone contract with calls to mobiles costing 29ore per min which is about 2.5p. My point is all of this comes into the house through a combination of cables from the phone jack see here for diagram http://www.telia.se/privat/kundservice/support/tv/digitaltv/guider/installation_digitalbox.page

or here for brochure showing real units http://www.telia.se/files/Inst_handb_TeliaDigiTV_B.pdf

and of course the phone comes through the phone jack as well :)

all of this is possible because of the infrastructure built up over the years where the relevant telecommunication nodes are very dense throughout the city giving everyone good access

why then is england blind to this overwhelming fact - better access means a better life for a lot of people (disabled, elderly and sick to name just a few) at an affordable price when they dont have much to begin with. I know they are upgrading but its to little to late, hampered down by a bureaucratic monstrosity! few had to say it - biggest waste of money our councils and government.

I think i will stop there

Dan

2009/10/7 Simon Waters <simon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Dan Lewis wrote:
>
> But sweden is a bit unique with its insanely large fibre optic network.
> Its great :) and its gonna get better Yay!!

Tell us more.

The UK has fibre pretty much everywhere. Certainly to almost every
telephone exchange. When I was doing some stuff in rural Wales I got to
see the fibre maps for Wales, and even remote rurals bits of Wales have
fibre laid all over them.

The prevailing view 5 years ago was that the commercial incentives
weren't there to utilise the fibre that is there. I don't think anything
has changed.

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