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On 3/27/07, Ben Goodger <goodgerster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 3/27/07, Simon Robert > <simon.robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > It is not the easiest distro to install and has little going for it > > looks wise. > > That's complete bunk. Debian installs as easily as Ubuntu did prior to > version 6.06, because they used the same installer. Ubuntu still uses this > same installer for everything except the desktop cd, and doesn't offer a > netinst disc. Furthermore, the fact that sarge has gnome 2.8 does not mean > that it has little going for it looks-wise: no bugger uses sarge on a > desktop, and etch has gnome 2.14 and clearlooks (same as and better than > respectively Ubuntu.) > > > Nothing wrong with the look 'n' feel, but nothing great > > either. And while not rubbish at detecting hardware it is not as good as > > some others - ubuntu among them. > > This is because the stable distribution has a 2.4 kernel by default. > This is because it's stable, something Ubuntu seems to have trouble with > recently... as I said before, nobody uses stable on a desktop, and etch has > kernel 2.6.18. > > > Stick with ubuntu if you find it works > > for you. If there is a debian live disk you might check it out, but I > > don't think there is. > > It's called knoppix... > > > Debian is not the most user friendly distro out > > there. As for the billions of applications you could install, unless you > > have some really specialist requirement which is particularly tricky to > > install and of which Debian is the only distro with a pre-built package, > > they make no odds really. > > Debian includes many helpful programs that Ubuntu would force me to compile > myself, including a gazillion Gaim plugins and a recent version of lilypond. > It definitely is not worthless to have more software in the repos. > > > I'm not a big ubuntu fan myself. Personally I go for pclinuxos which I > > find excellent in terms of look 'n' feel and really good on hardware > > detection. There is a live disk version of it so you could have a look > > if interested. The makers have put a lot of effort into making it user > > friendly, particularly for linux newbies, but then so has the ubuntu > > team. A matter of taste really. > > By "looks good" you must mean either KDE or the default GTK/metacity theme, > totally subjectively; by "user friendly" you presumably mean "windows-like" > which is due to KDE and not necessarily a good thing... > > > I know that ethos behind a distro is important, but the builders of > > pclinuxos, ubuntu, kpoppix, DSL etc etc are hardly running lap dogs of > > the capitalist hyiena. The purity of the Debian teams vision and > > commitment is its great strength, not its looks or ease of use. > > Debian has these advantages over the other distros mentioned, true - it is > also as easy to use and looks exactly the same as anything else with GNOME > 2.14 and Clearlooks, or whatever KDE version comes with it. If you're unable > to distinguish between a distribution and its desktop environment, I suggest > you do not go about recommending anything... > > -- > Ben Goodger > #391382 > --------------------- > > Mi admiras religiajn; ili estas fine ebliĝinta solvi la maljunegan demandon > "kiel oni povas vivi sencerbe?". > -- > There seems to be a difference between those who use Lnux as a hobby and those, like me, who just want a tool, the best one for the job, and not something that has a lot of potential development. The consensus seems to be emerging that Ubuntu is as good for this as most of the other Linux developments, but if I fancied a change, there's plenty of good choices out there. The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG > http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list > FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html > > -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html