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Robin Cornelius wrote: > Surly free as in freedom gives ubuntu every right to do this if they > so desire. If we turn around and say this should not happen isn't this > the analogy of going from the far far right wing of politics to the > far far left in one fell swoop when idealy we need to stop somewhere > in the middle? I'm not saying Ubuntu should be banned from doing this, I'm saying people should not use, support, promote, advocate Ubuntu because it does these things. > Personaly i think saying thou shal not use binary drivers or firmware > or software just alienates people. People want HW to work and often > have it already and have not gone out after learning about linux and > made an informed decision. I certainly can't afford to just chuck out > my graphics card because i can't do 3d without a binary driver. I can't do 3d on my computer without a binary driver either. I don't use 3d. People should be far more aware of the implications using non-free drivers have. > what i have done on the other hand > is help open up an entire wireless chipset. I have spoken to the > manufactures in tawian directly, Forget the OEMS like DLINK ASUS etc, > i spoke to who they get there stuff from. They gave the project > datasheets, they opened there example code for us. We have a driver > thats now in the mm kernel tree. That's fantastic. We need more of that. > I believe i do my bit to help the whole free software thing, and have > indirectly helped a lot of people move to a GPL driver from either NO > driver or a properity one. I think this is the way to do it, small > steps but lots of them from lots of people. I think you can certainly say you've done your part. All I'll say is thank you. matt -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html