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Hi Simon, Martin, I guess my position on all this would be I'd prefer to know what others in the company were earning before pitching a salary for myself. The employer obviously has this information and I try to avoid negotiations where the other party has key information I don't. In some sectors (e.g. univerisities), this information (with some non-trivial margin of error) is publicly available for everyone earning less than about Â55k a year - you can derive it from the job title and a few other pieces of information. Anyway, as I think is the thrust here, it's all about freedom. As both employer and potential employee, we have the freedom to negotiate how we wish (within the law), or to choose to walk away if we don't like the terms. All the best Andy On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 07:35:10PM +0100, Martin Gautier wrote: > Glad you're not either. Fair do's, maybe I was a bit harsh - like half the > country at the moment, I'm f**ing grumpy. > > If I was job searching, I may have adjusted my expectations after > researching the company in more detail. > > What I said was my first reaction to the advert. Maybe others thought the > same? Just a thought... > > :) > > On 29/06/16 18:21, Simon Avery wrote: > > A tad harsh, Martin. Variable pay offers depending on experience is very > common now - even where wages are stated, they're often modified with > "depending on experience" / ranges / starting at. By them submitting > what they're working for now, it saved them wasting time coming for an > interview if it's completely disparate. We're up-front about it - many > aren't. We're also up-front that we're a charity, and rates of pay are > not always competitive with other businesses; but not everyone is in the > market for money above everything else. > And of course, all the employer does is make an offer for services > rendered. If the potential employee doesn't think it's fair, they're not > being held by gunpoint. > We're undergoing IIP level 2 accreditation this week as it happens, > having passed Level 1 three years ago, and several people from this lug > have worked for or with us over the years - so shysters screwing staff > isn't a reasonable stab either. There's a number of benefits we offer > beyond the legal minimums, and our retention is generally very good. > But, I guess I won't be seeing your application then, and that's > probably for the best for both of us :) > (FWIW, we've had a very good level of response with four excellent > candidates (and quite a few who saw 'Administrator' in the title and > applied without any IT experience), and I'm interviewing next week.The > advert did its job, regardless of your personal feelings. If anyone else > here is still interested, we'll be closing applications by end of the > week, so get a wiggle on!) > On 29 June 2016 at 18:00, Martin Gautier <martin.gautier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > "The rate of pay will be dependent upon relevant experience but > applicants are encouraged to provide details of their current earnings > or future expectations." > > That's more that a little cheeky too. Name your price, too high and > you won't get an interview, too low and you'll work for peanuts. > > It tells me that they're either too incompetent to know their market > and the salaries required to hire the correct people or they're > shysters trying to screw their new staff. > > Thanks, but no thanks. > > On 29/06/16 17:06, Mark Croft Redditch Linux Mint wrote: > > maybe it change since i last was looking for a job in IT/programming > but most places just assume you have a car and driving licence. I > was > told by an agency it would really limit my chances, which it did. I > even had one that refused to refund travel costs(the agency did and > then deleted me off there books) > > mark > > On 22 June 2016 at 18:58, Mark Evans <mpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > On 22/06/16 17:49, Simon Avery wrote: > > We're looking for a good IT person based at Newton Abbot. Mixed > windows > and > Debian... > > > http://www.indeed.co.uk/cmp/The-Mare-and-Foal-Sanctuary/jobs/IT-System-Administrator-72cde8bbb22f338c > > Good that the advert mentions really wanting a driver. > With the last job I applied for this wasn't made clear until the > second > interview. > > -- > The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG > https://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list > FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq > > -- > The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG > https://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list > FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq > -- > The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG > https://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list > FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG https://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq