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On 11/06/15 19:59, bad apple wrote: > On 11/06/15 09:51, Eion MacDonald wrote: >> Thanks. I use two OpenSUSE versions one 32 bit, one 64 bit. I will have >> a look at Ubuntu. > > Don't bother, it's increasingly terrible these days. Ok, time to 'fess up - my 14.04 LTS install has been tearing itself to pieces for a week or so and it's been making me very, very angry. First gnome-shell started randomly crashing out and restarting so borked that a complete logout or reboot was required to get it functioning again... sometimes only for a few minutes. So I switched to cinnamon, and then XFCE and finally awesome which proved to be the only DE that didn't randomly fall over, probably because it's so basic. I purged PPAs, switched to a stock kernel instead of my custom builds, switched from xorg-edgers to stock nvidia, then nouveau, and tweaked, debugged and banged my head against the table on/off for days. Nothing I did made any difference and I built up quite a lot of hate for Ubuntu very rapidly. Even my custom kernel builds were inexplicably bombing out on the same basic filesystem module - the hunt for a new distro began in earnest, long overdue. I was just going to rebuild my entire system today, probably with Arch, but I thought I'd have one last go at fixing the damn thing. Attaching strace to gnome-session (no idea why I didn't do this on day 1 but hey ho) immediately flagged a whole bunch of bizarre libc errors and further checking was instructive: ghost@failbot:~$ zcat /var/log/kern.log.*.gz | grep segfault | grep libc | wc -l 41 What the hell? Lots more checking and reading of bugzilla later, I got bored and just went with: sudo apt-get install libc6 --reinstall And now everything is back to normal. No more weird crashing or cairo segfaults, no broken .xsession and my first kernel rebuild for 10 days went perfectly. ghost@failbot:~$ uname -r 4.0-pf6-meowski+ ~10 days of rage just because of a - somehow - corrupted libc6 installation. Slightly embarrassed I didn't pick up on it earlier but also slightly happy I can at least temporarily put off a complete workstation rebuild. Don't get me wrong, I'm still not very happy with the state of Ubuntu these days *and* I'm still blaming them for my corrupt libc install as well but to be fair, I have to recant at least some of my criticisms now I've fixed that weird problem. I no longer recommend Ubuntu or even Mint to newbies. I no longer use Ubuntu as my go-to default install I no longer care about Ubuntu developments or releases I no longer target Ubuntu for any of my custom builds But I have to at least admit it's not fundamentally broken and worthless, which is what I have been telling anyone for the last week or two, including this list. It's only fair that I report back, admit at least part of it was my fault for not spotting a relatively obvious problem quicker and stop slagging off Ubuntu, at least for the moment until it does something else to annoy me. Cheers * still looking at Arch though. Or maybe go old-school purist and revert to Slackware... -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq