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Hi all Do you mind if I have a rant about Adwords? I did a favour with a site (php error) and then was asked to look at improving site ranking, and after doing keywords work, looked at adwords. (This IS a job for the boys...... perpetual virtual work chasing invisible goals) It seems to me that to get on the top four (1st page) you need to pay google to do it. So they have set up a system which makes you pay for getting noticed even though you would have been first, if your keywords had been allowed to do their job. AND, just because you haven't got a daily budget of Â10 to hopefully get 60-80 clicks now you won't be found... To entice you into this mire of deceit the site is getting "Do this (conversions, and start new campaigns, track this, put our code here between the Body Tags) and get (Scrummy) Adwords Credits Â30 Â50 ..." As you expect I was asked to Implement the Credits jump the hoops hit the targets, and see the Credits appear on the Billing Schedule. For Â80 of Secured Credits took about 1/2 hour work ( what should I charge?) .. ( don't answer that) Am I right or (hopefully) I have got this all wrong. Tell me it's a fair righteous system that gives each site the very best chance of being found on the Internet. Funnily enough I have only looked at Google... Should I be doing this with other search providers? yours, frustrated -- ________________________________________________________________________ Regards Kevin Lucas Minions Post Master(Sub) A dedicated Linux user /usr/bin/microsoft Skype minions_shop www.minionsbandb.co.uk www.tearooms.minionsbandb.co.uk FaceBook Minions_shop Po House, Minions, Liskeard Cornwall PL14 5LE 01579363386 -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq