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I must be the odd one out as I learnt shell programming on cpm and dos back in the dark ages so picked up shell scripting with bash relatively easily. I'm certainl no expert with Gnu/Linux but am comfortable in the main with it. I find man pages to be very usefull and make sure that all man,info and html help files are installed for any distro I use. Todat I got my scanner working with the gt68xx driver only after reading the man page which told me what the likely file name would be (quick google search) and also where so place it so that sane could use it. Same with setting up my palm, any model, serial or usb and with almost anything man xxxx, info xxxx is invaluable. Even rpm which seems to be hated by the majority I learned how to get aound most problems with man pages. Ray. Sent using Palm T3 & SPV C550 -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html