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I agree with this, I think I am at this stage right now, when i had my old spectrum programming was in basic, the language was already there. But yeah I had to have a goal, even doing web sites you have to have an idea of layout and what it will look like first. Paul To learn anything in programming it is much much better if you have a realistic task you wish to achieve. If you just attempt to learn a language for the sake of learning it you probably won't achieve anything and just confuse your self. I have done this myself and my biggest acheievements have been when i have had a target and had to fight my way through the problem to get results. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Cornelius" <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [LUG] Learning a language with linux --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 28/01/04 -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.