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Re: [LUG] New Linux user in Fowey Cornwall

 

On 18/10/2021 18:51, comrade meowski wrote:
> On 18/10/2021 18:31, Michael Everitt wrote:
>> On 18/10/2021 18:28, Paul Sutton via list wrote:
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> I had an e-mail from a potential new Linux / Free software user in Cornwall, she
>>> hasn't started with it yet, but I did suggest starting off with LinuxMint as it
>>> seems to 'just work'.  Plus for new users it is pretty easy to use, has good
>>> support (forum,irc etc) as well as a strong user base.
>>>
>>> I just wondered if anyone in that area would be able to provide some install help
>>> please.  I know the install guide is at
>>>
>>> https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
>>>
>>> But I don't know much about this EFI/UEFI thing. So if that needs disabling or
>>> whatever you do. I can't help with that.
>>>
>>> Once it is installed myself and others can try and provide some support remotely.
>>>
>>> If anyone can respond who is local to Fowey, I can put you in touch.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Paul
>> How far into Cornwall - we have the Plymouth LUG approaching ...
>>
>> EFI should be mostly covered by the Mint installation procedure, although, 
>> getting to
>> boot a non-native install media could be tricky. Who's conversant with the latest
>> Windoze tom-foolery?!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> veremitz/Michael.
>>
>>
>
>
> EFI has got nothing to do with Windows... it's just the modern replacement for
> crappy old BIOS firmware and has actually been the standard on all new PCs for well
> over a decade. The last thing anyone wants to do is turn it off and willingly go
> back to prehistoric firmware literally from the last century...
>
> It gets confused a lot with Secure Boot which is part of the UEFI spec: that's the
> bit which mandates the system boots from a signed installation image and nothing
> more. You can be the person who signed that image if you set it up that way but
> more normally and in the default state it will indeed trust a valid Microsoft
> signature. All of this is optional and can be disabled but even that's not
> necessary as most of the sensible Linux distros have had support for Support Boot
> as well for ages. Mint for example has supported the default installer image
> booting with Secure Boot on since 19.1 a couple of years ago so there won't be any
> problems. Unless you're mixing in an Nvidia CPU as well in which case there will be
> problems but that's because of complicated Linux kernel tainting issues and is
> actually a Linux/Nvidia problem, not a Secure Boot problem.
>
> So in short, any newish system probably shipped with EFI on and Secure Boot enabled
> by default. As long as you're not using Nvidia and are using a mainstream friendly
> distro like Mint, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora etc everything will work just fine left
> like that. Loads of distros eschew Secure Boot though, probably more than support
> it: off the top of my head Gentoo, Arch, Devuan, Void and NixOS don't.
>
> The new users biggest problem will probably be backing up and preserving her stuff
> from Windows if there's a pre-existing install. It's fine to re-partition the
> laptop's sole disk to make room for the Linux system if she wants to keep Windows
> around for dual booting but don't try and re-partition the disk if it's been
> bitlockered: the Mint installer should refuse to even try but if it does there will
> be tears. Bitlocker has been enabled by default for years on Windows so if
> repartitioning is involved make sure whoever walks her through the install 
> checks...
>
Thanks for the clarification about secure-boot.

And we have a new gotcha from the M$ farm.. thanks for the tips re: bitlocker ..
Ugh.

veremitz/Michael.

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