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"maybe someone else will chime with a balancing opinion and tell you that I'm overstating it," if only you were!!! I can only, sorrowfully, confirm that most ISP supply cheap, cr*p quality routers. I've just moved to EE Broadband and their BrightBox 1 is, in my opinion, the worst I've ever encountered. And after a lifetime as a Network and Security Engineer I've seen some garbage. It's the usual story, you mostly get what you pay for. If you can afford the cost, time and effort to buy and support one, I'd buy a Juniper router, or maybe a Cisco, both professional, commercial quality routers that will do anything you could ever want. Coming down-market, I've had a couple of Draytek routers, latest was a Vigor 2830n, does wifi and a lot of quality features well, but was well over Â100 at the time. Netgear do some fairly good quality ones at their dearer end, but, as with ALL the above equipment, you MUST stay on top of the patches and firmware upgrades, and keep the config similarly relevantly configured. (You patch your platforms and PC's don't you?) There are just too many exploits, vulnerabilities, and holes being discovered all the time not to keep your router up to date. And the shabby shameful grossly naÃve quality of the host of software engineers out there are to blame. Combine that with the fact that the ISP business is so cut-throat now that they can't/won't afford decent hardware for their users and you begin to understand why there are so many problems. I think that covers it. IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s) only, and must not be re-transmitted in an amended form without my consent. If you are not the named recipient, please notify me immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person or make any copies. Please then delete it and do not disclose its contents to any other person. Security and reliability of e-mails are not guaranteed. I operate anti-virus programs but you must take full responsibility for virus checking this e-mail (including all attachments). I do not accept any liability in respect of any damage caused by any virus which is not detected. All e-mails to and from anyone @kendallnet.co.uk may be examined for breaches of employee policies and the law. I record all phone calls. -----Original Message----- From: list [mailto:list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mr meowski Sent: 10 November 2017 16:03 To: list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [LUG] Netgear Router On 10/11/17 08:50, Neil wrote: > Well, I have certainly opened a can of worms here. I will have a read > through the above, thanks. And I must decide what to do next. Some > SOHO routers are very pricey, and yet you tell me they are all a load > of rubbish. That does not make things easy. At least my desktop does > not use wifi. This has all made me feel very worried about the whole > shebang. It seems that, even if I had remembered the password, it is > all just a mess anyway. > > Will follow up with all this later Definitely just start here - all the instructions you need are on the one page and it's pretty trivial to setup and test: https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/telnet.console On your older router model + firmware you should be able to access the "hidden" backdoor admin access "feature" that Netgear so kindly left for you. With that you can recover/change passwords, dump configs and rather amusingly, actually fix the hole itself using the exploit :| Apologies for inducing yet more existential angst about the big scary internet - maybe someone else will chime with a balancing opinion and tell you that I'm overstating it, the internet is secure, corporations and governments have your back and care for you and there's bound to be an accidental little flaw in software here and there so there's nothing to worry about. Anyone? Cheers -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG https://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG https://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq