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On 11 Sep 2015, at 12:48, Paul Sutton <zleap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 11/09/15 12:17, Joseph Bennie wrote: >> >> On 11 Sep 2015, at 11:57, Julian Hall <linux@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> On 11/09/15 10:27, lug@xxxxxx wrote: >>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 08:27:08 +0000, Joseph Bennie >>>> <jay@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> .. ps while trip to bsd land would be a joyride, Linux >>>>> critical mass make it the best bet. but If solaris was >>>>> actually affordable as an every day OS ... I've no issue with >>>>> proprietary, I have an issue with blackmail and extortion. >>>>> >>>> MS are doing this because it is what most people want. The >>>> average joe is quite happy to exchange their pEnigmailersonal >>>> information for free stuff and if it works for Facebook and >>>> Google then why not MS. Ditto subscriptions. A lot of people >>>> pay £30 a month for a phone even though they could buy it >>>> outright and save cash in the longterm. >>>> >>>> What makes me sad is that after all these years the open >>>> source alternatives to desktop Windows are still mostly at >>>> about XP level. A lot of the apps still look like crap and >>>> often don't integrate very well if at all with the OS. >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>> There is also the matter of those little check boxes we usually >>> see 'Do not share my information with third parties'. My bet is >>> that MS intend to replace the revenue from not selling Windows >>> individually with selling databases of customer information. >>> Given the size of the Windows userbase that could be extremely >>> lucrative. >> >> No, its more blatant, they just give you an OS thats so crippled >> and dependent on add on's via subscriptions you have no option but >> to spend money. >> >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG >>> http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: >>> http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq >> >> > > I got the impression that Windows is going to be free (as in cost) for > the first year then sold as normal. Anyway > > So what do we do, I think we need to promote the idea of software > freedom, admit it is not perfect. but due to the nature of the GNU > License people are free to contribute and make it better. > > So far this thread has said a lot of things that are wrong with > Windows, and very little positive about GNU / Linux and free software. > > I will try and add the link that started this thread to the DCGLUG > blog along with some info surrounding such as what happened to user > freedom / control., but try and put a focus on Free as in freedom > software so we promote the alternatives. > The thing is, when people do things the open source way there is barrier thats really hard to cross. App development is hard and requires specialisation, to put that much effort in, in a sustainable and scalable way means a team are at either end of the spectrum of freaky zelots with a personal plan to a fully paid team of professionals and designers. There also the issue of patents. there are so many project that can't evolve because of patent issues at some level of the software stack. and I really do think, there should be a community funded version of the latter to complement and enhance the awesome work of the former. Surly Redhat or a top vendor could pull something together as we don't all have time to build our own tools. remember OS is about free as in liberty, not free as in beer. > Paul > > > > > - -- > http://www.zleap.net @zleap14 > t: @zleap14 diaspora : zleap@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Documentation lead @ ToriOS http://www.torios.org > > Torbay Tech Jam http://torbaytechjam.org.uk > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAlXyv3oACgkQaggq1k2FJq1slACfRQH9SHf8ZSidMBF/5OojiDcy > 4SYAn0ZHOYiQOl4sbiv6v3GvWmcmhXuI > =t+Rj > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG > http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list > FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq