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Re: [LUG] shellshock to the rescue

 

On 27/09/14 18:51, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:09:51 +0100
> Paul Sutton <zleap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Hello Paul,
> 
>> Sure it may ruin their carers, but they also have responsibilities as
>> parents, if they have failed and pay the price maybe the blame should
>> lie with then,  and not with everyone else which these people
>> sometimes try and put it on.
> 
> I totally agree.  It may well have not been clear from my post though.
> However, the main thrust of my post was that bad apple has to make a
> tough decision.  One that he's going to have to live with.  It's only
> he that can decide whether his conscience will let him place what he's
> found out about this ne'er-do-well in the hands of the authorities.  I
> know I'd find it hard to make such a decision.
> 
> It's a sad fact that what is Right, what is Moral, what is Legal and
> what is Fair are rarely all the same thing.  There can be large areas of
> overlap with those things, I know.

This is done. Somewhat restoring my faith in humanity, debased as it is,
the charlie in question has good, caring parents. I was a silent partner
on the phone call from hell, and they hit the ******* roof. Both pulled
emergency leave, he's out of school and after a lot of soul searching
and discussion, we're cutting this loose after two weeks of intensive
activity. It's not like we can watch him forever.

And we're getting old now. Vigilante action isn't what it used to be,
and I sincerely regret getting involved in this in the first place. We
all do. The parents are so on this I feel it's safe (?) to walk away now
but so many nagging doubts remain.

Did I do the right thing?
Is it ok to break rules for the greater good?
Who's watching us to make sure we only use our powers for 'good'?
What's stopping me waking up tomorrow and going full 'evil'? It would
definitely pay more. I was chatting on a certain Russian forum last
night and was offered £5k in bitcoins to backdoor a specific blog site,
which I know I can get into in 30 seconds (wordpress is a the gift that
keeps giving). The recent bash and Xen vulns are just making things
ridiculously easy at the moment.

I absolutely don't need the money but a long unscratched itch has been
making me think - during all the **** of the last couple of weeks the
missus has pointed out that every now and then I've referred to myself
as a hacker, rather than a sysadmin. That's rather optimistic, but now I
was considerably younger I genuinely deserved that appellation. Now I'm
old and lazy, I presumed all the kids would have naturally left me in
the dust but as it happens I've realised that they're no more talented
than we are, they just have a lot more free time. But they're many, many
years too early to know all the tricks that we have picked up at the
coalface after a work lifetime of firefighting.

I terrified a junior DevOps guy we've got for a week earlier by
demonstrating how to break into standard issue Windows (chntpw), Mac
(single user mode escalate to root trick) and Linux (rescue mode and/or
"init=/bin/bash") machines in just a minute or two. There's nothing
about these attacks that is new or surprising but to the uninitiated
it's like pure voodoo. That's kind of when I realised that I'm happiest
breaking into other people's ****, instead of fixing people's ****.
There will be some serious discussion ahead with She Who Must Be Obeyed
but I'm seriously thinking about jacking in my relatively new sysadmin
job, and going back to the uncertain world of contracting. Mainly
because it turns out that reverse TCP stagers are a lot more interesting
than fixing configured-by-morons CentOS machines.

Basically I think I'm probably having my midlife crisis and just want my
business card to say "L33T c00l ub3r HaXX0r" instead of "Systems
Administrator". Perhaps I should just buy a sports car instead.

Anyway, for the moment I remain a boring sysadmin and I'm putting the
last couple of weeks unpleasantness behind me. I look forward to
(hopefully) answering some normal, sane questions on list shortly. It
feels like a while since Neil has broken something and I've told him how
to fix it. Someone was asking about a hacked webserver - contact me off
list.

Even though I've obviously now got full control of my crappy live.com
email address back, Microsoft are still hassling me with daily 2-factor
auth reminders, Technet articles and general asking-for-money spam crap
to the extent that I wonder if it was even worth it.

Yours philosophically, resigned and undecided,

bad apple

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