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On 21/11/13 08:31, Simon Waters wrote: > Microsoft's ribbon in office still feels like another horrid UI mistake they can't > admit and undo to me, or am I still stuck in migration pain? You'll want to stay away from the current crop then: Win8/8.1, Server 2012/r2 and all of the new releases (even System Center 2012r2, believe it or not, and that is hardly a toy) from MS use the ribbon exclusively, even in system utilities, Paint, Explorer... And no, it's not just you. I *hate* that stupid ribbon so much, and the fact that they keep changing keyboard shortcuts that have been in my muscle memory for a decade or more doesn't help. Regards -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq