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Some rambling observations: Protecting our freedoms and rights by taking them away is nonsensical. Millions of people have given their lives for our rights and freedoms and because a few bombs go off on our soil (terrorism) we are giving them away. That isn't disinterestedness that's cowardice! Now I'm retired and can't get about much I've had time to watch the media both at home and abroad, It's very conspicuous how little coverage there has been about the implications of the revelations. Plenty about Snowden himself but virtually nothing else. I know there has been a D notice sent to the but it's only a request. Has the press/media no backbone or is there force being applied behind the scenes? Either way one of the few protections we the people have against government and other forms of power appears to have been gagged. I'm sure that at the bottom of all this surveillance is the fear of governments that something is about to happen in the not to distant future. The world economy is falling through the floor and the middle class (as well as the poor) coffers are running dry. The present level of surveillance was never about terrorism. Surveillance has never been about the affairs of other countries or external threats. Most surveillance is and always was used by governments to spy on enemies of governments not enemies of the people. Alas the greatest enemy of any governing body is the people it governs. As someone once said all democracies are one weeks starvation away from revolution. Keith ps the Guardian had a map of all the fibre cable in/outs in the UK. The are many more than just Bude. After all we are the axis of in and out traffic between the US and Europe. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq