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not exactly a reply to the op, since (1) i am not a guru by any stretch and (2) i couldn't tell you a thing about its operating system. nonetheless, i share: first computer i touched was an hp-85. built-in peripherals included a keyboard, a monitor about the size of an index card (yet another obsolete technology), a little cassette tape drive, and a printer that used rolls of heat-sensitive paper that you could turn all blue by holding up to a lightbulb. i was, what, six years old? older brother showed me how to load up programs from cassette tapes. played hunt the wumpus (no love there, none at all), and was fascinated by some kind of adventure/zork-ish game---called gnome, i think. tried writing similar games in BASIC. i remember being baffled by the GOSUB command. SYNTAX ERROR. never figured out what i was doing wrong. had to use GOTO everywhere instead. story of my life. -wes -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq