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Re: [LUG] Windows 8 adoption

 

On 01/01/13 18:20, Neil Winchurst wrote:
> Yes, I understand that most modern computers have room for VBox and
> can then run eg Window 7 on there. But there is still the problem of
> the cost of the Windows licence, isn't there? Apart from not liking
> Windows, I begrudge the licence fee, mainly because it is so high and
> they are hardly short of money!!
>
> When I set up my daughter with her own laptop earlier this year I
> installed Xubuntu for her and she seems very pleased with it. I bought
> a laptop with no OS installed. If I had chosen to I could have had
> Windows 7 installed for me at a cost of Â90. How much ????
>
> Neil
>


Ok, to answer Neil and Henry:

1: the license.

This is a sticking point to be fair, but if you *must* have a legitimate
windows install to do some legitimate work on, you *must* get a licensed
version and that costs money, as simple as that. I agree the prices tend
to be a bit steep (especially for the Enterprise/Ultimate versions which
are the only versions worth using) but short of piracy, which I'm
obviously not going to advocate, if you want windows you have to pay for
it. The standard, non-discounted price for the OEM version hovers around
the Â100 mark - there may be other list members who deal with windows
regularly who have suggestions for special deals or offers, if so,
please feel free to chip in. It's worth pointing out that Windows 8 is
actually slightly cheaper, and much cheaper if you have a valid Win7
license to upgrade from (~Â40). It's also worth pointing out that I'm
not much of an expert on consumer level Windows licensing costs - I
mostly deal with volume licensing as a sysadmin (where the company bean
counters worry about the money, I worry about the admin stuff and
couldn't care less about the cost) and personally have access to
multiple Technet subscriptions, so have legit access to pretty much any
Microsoft product.

The good news is that except for Neil, who specifically bought a laptop
without a Windows install, you've probably already paid for a Windows
license. If your computer has a Microsoft License sticker on it
anywhere, then you're good to go. Even if you inherited a second hand
computer, blew the Windows install away and proceeded to put Linux on
it, that license is still valid and you can grab a Windows installer,
put in your license key and reactivate. If you're unlucky, you may end
up having to call the dreaded Microsoft Activation Helpline but they've
really streamlined that these days and it's pretty painless.

2: the how.

Ok, this is going to be long enough that maybe I'll try and write it up
as an entry for this LUG revamp if anyone thinks it would be a good
idea. I'm not reinventing the wheel though - there are countless howtos
and reams of official documentation out there already so at most I'd do
a kind of streamlined, bullet point primer on the essentials and list
the gotchas that in my experience, a lot of guides and nearly all the
official stuff don't mention. Before you even get started on the road to
virtualization, you'll need to do some homework first.

Firstly, choose your virtualization tool wisely! If you have no prior
experience here, it can be confusing, as you have VMWare (Player,
Workstation, ESX), VirtualBox, KVM, Xen and a whole bunch of other
hypervisors to choose from. I'm going to go ahead and presume, perhaps
unwisely, that VirtualBox will be your best choice. It's free,
open-source and friendly, unlike *all* of the other options. VMWare
workstation is quite nice to use but has serious problems on a Linux
host and is expensive - Xen and KVM are both decidedly more heavy duty
tools more normally used in enterprise environments.

So your first task is to download and install VirtualBox, and
familiarise yourself with it a little. Ideally, install a random Linux
distribution and a Windows 8 (free) trial as VMs and ensure that you're
going to be able to live with VirtualBox from then on. You really need
to make sure you can get on with your virtualization tool well before
taking the plunge and committing to it, trust me. If all goes well up to
this point, you'll be ready for the next steps which are:

A: decide if you're going to migrate to a clean VM install, or do a
physical to virtual (P2V) conversion of an existing machine
B: backup your machine if you're going to do a P2V - a lot can go wrong
C: prepare the machine which will be hosting the new virtualized guest
D: make sure you have some extra tools, such as sysprep

I'll write more as soon as anyone asks for it, especially Henry who
expressly asked "how?" Incidentally Henry, what's your current situation
on the laptop? Is it dual boot? You're going to have even more work to
do if your laptop currently runs Windows and you want to P2V the
existing install from bare metal to a VM, replace Windows with Debian as
the laptop's main OS, and then move the virtualized Windows system back
onto the laptop as a virtual guest. If this is the case, you're in luck,
because this is what I specialise in and know the process inside out.
The most common virtualization procedures I do are P2V conversions of
Windows into VMs that are then run under Linux, frequently back on the
same hardware they've just been abstracted from.

If you want to get started right away with VirtualBox, specific
instructions for installation are here:
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads

Just look for the Debian specific section and follow what they say.
Don't forget to install the critical Extension Pack afterwards. Don't
even think about using the community edition of VBox available from
various distro's mirrors, it's inferior to the official Oracle version
(can't believe I just said that... VBox was a Sun project though, which
Oracle have just rebadged).

Cheers




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