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On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:14:34 +0000 bad apple <ifindthatinteresting@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 17/11/12 19:49, Migel Wimtore wrote: > > Sorry, systemd, not systemd d. > > > > > > Either way, it's that idiot Poettering again... I really wish he'd f*ck > off and stop wrecking other distros by dragging them into his messes. > Although I have to support a lot of RedHat flavour boxes, it wouldn't be > so bad if his idiocy only infected RedHat/Fedora but sadly it > cross-infects everyone eventually. > > Just have a look at the state of affairs on this thread: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/11/msg00328.html > > They're talking more about the Gentoo guys wisely deciding to fork udev > away from the broken crap coming out of RedHat but they also talk a lot > about pulseaudio, systemd, avahi and other "brilliant" stuff that retard > has foisted on to us. Linus himself was spitting blood about them not so > long back... He's (Poettering) very clever and clearly a talented > programmer, but jesus, he just won't stop doing stupid, stupid things. > > Regards -- I will say for systemd that startup and shutdown are lighting fast! And service management is pretty sensibly implemented with systemctl. Though i still miss the rc.d commands, they actually seem a little arcane to me now. For example, "sudo /etc/rc.d/hdapsd start" is sensible, you simply point to it and start it, but, with systemd there is a layer of abstraction in the way you refer to services, and other things. Which you may or may not like. You don't call things by describing there location. For example, it is "sudo systemctl start hdapsd". The sysstemd method arguably makes things simpler by taking away the need to remember the path. However, at the same time, the rc commands are also useful /because/ they are more descriptive. Also, in defence of Pulse. Though it doesn't yet play with jack audio as well as ALSA, it is getting there, and it actually has some really neat features. Being able to boost the heck out of laptop speakers, on the fly, is really useful. Tying to watch quieter things, like lectures, on laptops with bad speakers can often be fairly challenging. And, being able to adjust the output volume for each application individually, is pretty great too. All from the Pulse Audio control GUI thingy, pavucontrol. I use Pulse on my general laptop these days, happily. Still using ALSA on my audio one (an old banger) for use with MIDI and JACK. Just saying. Cheers. Mike. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq