Re: [LUG] Looking for old hardware

[Gordon Henderson <gordon+lug@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012, Simon Avery wrote:

> Have you ever priced a 10mb dedicated to a site that is 10km from the
> exchange? (I have sites 7, 9, 10km and 13km away) Some scary figures start
> to appear even 1km away.  And that's if you can find anyone that wants to
> do it...

Yes, I have.

> > The last 10Mb line I had instlled for a client cost them nothing for
> > install (virgin media fibre) and £450 a month from the ISP (not Virgin,
> > obiously) that is on a 100Mb bearer too, so they can go up to 100Mb at the
> > flick of a button when they need it. They also get a small IPv4 subnet and
> > a big IPv6 subnet, of-course.
>
> Sure, and that's nice. But that's a 20-fold increase in rent, and like I
> say, installation outside of towns is impractical. Reliability of consumer
> grade adsl is *good*, even in my remote sites, and contention with Zen at
> least is negligable at our maximum speeds.

Reliability is fine - but if your business depends on it, then get a 
leased line. Also understand just where the contention is - there's the 
network that carries th data from the premises to the edge of the ISP 
(Often the BT wholesale network, or another providers network - e.g. LLU), 
then then ISPs own network, then their connectivity to other ISPs, peering 
points, etc. and here you really do get what you pay for.

> So running your own server in a data centre works - as long as your clients
> > are prepared to pay for it, but people seem to want cheap these days, or
> > think they're entitled to "superfast" broadband without actualy paying for
> > it, or undestanding the implications of contention, etc.
>
> Putting your hardware in a datacentre doesn't resolve local poor speed
> issues - unless your business is world-facing on the IT side, of course.
> (Which is why I rent a VM in Telehouse for our websites)
>
> There is no "One size fits all" approach to IT and business.

Sure.

But once you move to clients who use leased lines, you'll find that it's 
amazing how a lot of silly little problems just go away. Lifes too short.

Gordon

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