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>>> In terms of pay, the industry standard in Devon is to pay level 2 Early Years / Childcare or unqualified at national minimum wage only and level 3 at around £6.90 / hour. As a PhD qualified senior manager I can afford to pay myself 99p above national minimum wage!!! At those rates we just about survive using fund-raising to top up our income. I think anyone offering anything above national minimum wage for level 2 is actually being quite generous. Most of the commercial nurseries only employ apprentices as the lower paid staff (for whom the national minimum wage is only £2.60/hour) and then sack them when they qualify - but then they need to turn a profit, which as a charity we don't. Your email is informative and depressing. Our children are quite literally our future and yet we're fucking them over like this. When are we ever going to learn? Regards -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq