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On Sun, 2011-12-11 at 14:56 +0000, paul sutton wrote: > On 11/12/11 06:44, Aaron Trevena wrote: > > On 11 December 2011 02:47, Simon Waters <simon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Fantasy Shopper, came to my attention as they were complaining about > >> local IT recruitment.... > >> > >> http://gigaom.com/2011/11/11/fantasy-shopper-scores-100000-amazon-prize/ > > Let me guess (without reading the article).. they're finding they cant > > get senior web devs with 5 or more years PHP in a remote mostly-rural > > region with poor transport links and for a salary less than you'd get > > serving coffee in starbucks in london? > > > > I've little sympathy - we've built headforwards from 3 developers in > > April (0 in march) to 10 developers when our last new join (as in > > we've filled all our vacancies, without dropping our requirements) in > > january. Recruiting decent talent is tricky but if you offer enough > > salary, and make a point of selling the location (in our case Pool in > > Cornwall) then you can still do it. > > > > Cheers, > > > > A. > > > > > > This is the issue down here in Devon / Cornwall, I saw a job in a > nursery (working with children) they expected both experience and a > level 2 qualification and expected applicant to work towards level 3 but > were offering the minimum wage up to a whole 20p above the minimum > wage, with no mention of a salary increase once level 3 has been > reached, unless they were oddly expecting someone with level 3 to work > for 6.28 an hour. > > This makes me laugh further when you read of employers whinging they > can't get staff. Or cant' get decent staff for min wage. > > I suppose I could have contacted them and said something like Once the > applicant has reached level 3 I assume the salary will rise to at least > Â7 -8 per hour. > > LOL > > Paul > > > -- > > -- > http://www.zleap.net > > Join the revolution, switch to Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com > > I don't often respond in a way that risks a flame war, but I must take issue with the comments on nurseries. For a charitable nursery, most of the income is from Devon County Council Early Years Entitlement Funding (the successor to the old voucher system) This is currently Â3.62 per hour per child, up to 15 hours per week for eligible children (roughly from the term following their third birthday.) For a 38 week year. On the other hand, Ofsted mandate the number of children you are allowed to have in a nursery at any one time, the ratio of staff to children (1:8 for 3 to 5 year olds); the fact that 50% of the staff must be level 3 qualified or above, combined with single term entry to schools now being available in Devon, means that a typical PVI setting would be lucky to make Â1000 a year surplus even at the rates of pay you quote. (The Â1000 would then usually be invested in improved facilities, or retained as contingency). That such settings survive at all as due to the fact that there are staff prepared to work for very poor rates of pay that are ultimately controlled by Devon County Council and Ofsted. In reality, staff also work many hours unpaid, because otherwise a setting would close. It is true that many private nurseries charge parents higher rates for extras, and their owners do make a good profit, but they will set their rates of pay based on what charitable settings can afford. Phil -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq