Re: [LUG] frabjous day caloo calay

[tom <tompotts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 06/12/10 15:30, Gordon Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, tom wrote:
>
> > On 05/12/10 16:36, Gordon Henderson wrote:
> > > On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, David Bell wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sunday 05 December 2010 12:51:53 tom wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Woke up this morning to find my BB have been upgrade from 512k to 
> > > > > (?) 1.5M
> > > >
> > > > My BB (same excellent ISP) has also been upgraded, free of charge 
> > > > from 2Mb to
> > > > max 8Mb. Result is about 6.8Mb  download speed.
> > >
> > > Your ISP has moved you from a fixed-speed package to a rate adaptive 
> > > package - very probably because it costs them less to run. It's 
> > > still the same ISP behind the BT wholesale network handling the data 
> > > - that's where the real bottleneck is.
> > >
> > > Who's the ISP?
> > >
> > > Gordon
> > Namesco. I'm getting 150kbps consistently. Which is just under 3* 
> > what I got before. I just doesn't make a useful difference for 
> > general use. Pages load fractionally faster - but there's still all 
> > that latency with various metric sites and I cant read the top bit of 
> > a page fast enough to worry about the rest not having loaded yet.
>
> Not sure I get what you're on about here!
Have a look at groklaw you get massive pages with huge threads that take 
a long while to load - but most of the time your just reading the top 20 
lines of the page and the difference between 512k and 8 gazzilion is 
purely academical. By metric sites I mean google analytics and the such 
- sites that slow down overall page loading times but provide no useful 
content.
> Metric sites?
>
>
>
> > I dont do a lot of downloads and most of what  I do do is managed so 
> > the fact it only takes 20minutes overnight rather that an hour is 
> > neither here nor there.
> > Videos from the Beeb suffer from the beeb bottleneck still - I've 
> > seen this on pipes.
>
> Use get_iplayer... And if they give you uncapped bandwidth overnight, 
> then use 'at' or run a cronjob to get them for you...
most of the stuff I probably dont want to look at all the way through - 
one of the greatest bugbears of the internet is Parkinsons Law applies 
bigtime. With the beeb stuff I normally have to wait while flash player 
and the beeb get to talking and then I realise the video I'm watching is 
99% padded - a 10 second clip of someone falling in the snow with 5 
minutes of studio introduction and 2 minutes of credits - it only takes 
a few seconds of watching to realise its not worth the effort and 
get_iplayer just wastes quota. Like pdf files - 4.5meg to read two lines 
on page 47.
> > Its nice to have but I wouldnt pay more for it!
>
> That's the biggest issue - no-one wants to pay what it really costs 
> ... ISP margins are 
For me as a home user its simply not worth it and I do wonder whether it 
genuinely improves peoples 'internet experience' or if its not a bit 
'must have but dont know why'. OK if I had a few kids playing online 
games at home it might help but my fear is that it will merely be 
clogged up by glister with ever decreasing content ratio.
> *really* tight and they get screwed tighter all the time by BT. I 
> think it's cirtually impossible for a new ISP to get started these 
> days - not without a wodge of funding from somewhere - who'll want 
> their investment back at some point! My fear is that like what 
> happened to the cable co's, we'll end up with one or 2 mega ISPs with 
> > 90% of the coverage giving 10% of the service )-:
> Gordon
Thats capitalism for you.
Tom te tom te tom


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