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The following make interesting reading. On the following forums pclinuxos stupid 84 pclinuxos arrogant 8 ubuntu stupid 4570 ubuntu arrogant 2770 on Google search 397,000 for pclinuxos stupid 5,080 for pclinuxos arrogant 846,000 for debian stupid 22,700 for debian arrogant 2,960,000 for ubuntu stupid 60,500 for ubuntu arrogant Would anyone like to comment as to why Ubuntu is associated with rudeness Trevor -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html