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As I now have the new web server back up and running, I thought I would simplify the maintenance needed to update the html files by putting all the html head info in one php file, and all the tail stuff in another. Works a treat, and cuts the size of my html files by 2/3rds. It also keeps the site layout uniform with all info only being in one file or the other. (see the source of any of the 4 pages on my site to see what I am on about) All pages validate as strict html and display correctly in Firefox. I notice when viewing in IE8 the main body of each page does not display, even though the text that should be there is visible when I 'view source'. question: Should I care? (I have solved the 'problem' for now by adding a 'get Firefox' button on the left side of each page) best regards Dave -- http://www.morgad.co.uk/index.html DP: http://www.pgdp.net NTP: http://www.pool.ntp.org L&B: http://www.lynton-rail.co.uk -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html