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I applaud the meetings. But unusual and perverse punishments are forbidden by international law. To force visa on anyone comes under that bracket. It could be construed as the most evil of punishments. Just the thought of it makes my Linux screen wobble in fear. Best of luck with the meetings, sorry I can not come. Trevor -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html