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Hi I have a lappy running Ubuntu and KNetworkManager. It used to work and I could use my wireless connection. Now it does not start properly and goes promptly to sleep. However if I run Sabayon,(from a disk) KNetworkManager does work and I get my wireless. I feel (hope) that this is one of those silly little things that some one in the know will be able to sort in seconds, so I will bring my lappy along to the meeting. I have not even looked at my Stylus Pen yet, perhaps Ben will the there! Peter -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html