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Somehow I think it's going to take a big change to make anything happen, but we are getting there slowly. I am trying to figure out what exactly SAP is , is it a windows program Unix program etc, and what it's for, apart form some sort of business application. I have found a website but I just want a simple explanation, of course if conveyed via the lug then it would be of interst to anyone else who wants to know, in the meantime I will carry on googling, before heading off to this evenings lug meet, Paul Ben Goodger wrote: > On 16/10/06, *Neil Williams* <linux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > <mailto:linux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: > > On 16/10/06 23:28:08, Eion MacDonald wrote: > > Dear Folks, 20061016 > > (Welcome to the list, BTW) > > > One major problem if trained only in MS office/Windows, is total > > inability to work with major organisations who use other > software as > > the backbone of all systems,e.g.SAP > > I work in office of a 46,000 odd desktop worldwide company and all > > info is done through SAP. > > > > Schools training in "IT" is abysmal. > > We mainly have to tell newcomers how to forget their school > training, > > do it our way > > Reminds me of previous discussions on how IT should be taught > using the > Universal Computer - not the computer that happens to be on the desk > today. The little 'experience' I had of computers at school was > looking > at the back of a Commodore Pet from a distance of about 20 feet (no > pupils were allowed in the same room as 'it'), a BBC micro (excellent > machine) that my mother obtained on loan as a teacher and the wonders > of a ZX81. Variety, that's part of the answer. > :-) > > I despair when I hear of IT being taught as "how to use Excel" not > "how > to use a spreadsheet". > > It's absolutely no use instructing people in solving problems with M$ > machines, there needs to be an awareness of other systems, other > solutions. > > The "easy" methods of teaching people to follow pictures in tutorials > like robots who get confused as soon as the icon theme is tweaked are > the stuff of nightmares. It's pointless teaching people how to use XP > or Vista, teach them how to use a computer so that when something > replaces Vista they are still able to use the thing! > > Same principle applies to technicians. > > > One day, I'm going to produce a LaTeX-typeset version of all your > wonderfully concise summings-up of the entire industry's problems, > such as this one. I think it'd make a good "holy book" for certain > groups of people, and at least doing this as opposed to Stallman's > works removes the almost 100% certainty that in 1300 years someone > will blow themselves up over a depiction of the GNU as a > marijuana-smoking cow (as opposed to a recorder-playing gnu.) > > (The above is, for once, completely unsarcastic, and I utterly agree. > I am incredibly frustrated to hear the librarians at College piping > Hotmail as not only apparently The Webmail Provider(tm) (gmail, yahoo > etc don't exist as they don't have a butterfly, adverts or IE-only > user agent checkers) but also The Way To Get Rid Of Virii And Spam(tm) > (emails are, self-evidently, the only way to get virii, and Hotmail's > virus scanner is infallible - never mind any of those standalone ones, > LOL!!), and it's annoying to be unable to actually program because our > Computing "coursework" is actually just copying some buggy VB from the > board - we never actually learn, and invariably the programs don't > work because of incorrect capitalisation of _keywords_, or VB crashes. > I'm not even permitted to run a Python executable on the college > network in the name of security (IE6 is also the only available > browser) which is even more annoying as I can't ignore the MS > advertising and just get on with the work.) > > FROM: /dev/socialism > > -- > Ben Goodger > #391382 > --------------------- > > Mi admiras religiajn; ili estas fine ebliĝinta solvi la maljunegan > demandon "kiel oni povas vivi sencerbe?". > It is well-known that I am blunt and unsophisticated. It's largely > your fault if you object to this. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html