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Paul, (a) css does not override <br>. I use them together all the time. (Actually <br /> as I use xhtml and like the tighter discipline.) (b) Do use the www Consortium validator: http://validator.w3.org/ Best wishes -- John Palmer Preston near Weymouth, Dorset, England e-mail: johnp@xxxxxxxxxx (plain text preferred) website: http://www.palmyra.uklinux.net/ -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html