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On Wednesday 12 July 2006 18:33, Ben Goodger wrote: > IE7 is not going to fix much. Haven't you seen the screenshots of Acid2 on > it? Open up http://webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html#top in firefox 1.5.0.4, and tell me what you see. Do you see a smiley face? Or, do you see a face that looks like it's just been hit by a bus travelling at 50km/h? ;) > XHTML back then? you're kidding right?!! > > 1999. Do you think things go from standard to "best current practice" overnight? > > Anyone wishing to use CSS with IE must ensure that they hack their way > > around its bugs, or contrain themselves to CSS1. > indeed, because the browser is 6+ years old. > No, CSS2 predates 2001 by several years. I guess you also think a product the size of IE goes from development to release ovenright? I guess you've not considered release schedules, feature freezes, etc? Tell me: when did gecko first have full CSS 2 support? I think you'll be surprised at the answer. How much large scale software development have you done to be such an expert in these matters, and declare that things should go from standard to 100% supported and 100% bug free overnight? > Yes, "The" MIME bug. The one which prevents IE from technically being > classed as a browser, since it incorrectly interprets MIME and through that > does all sorts of things it's not supposed to, which people code around, > thus buggering it up for the rest of us, etc etc... Right - You mean the evil MIME sniffing that MSHTML does. yes, i agree, it's evil. However, it's not a bug. Microsoft implemented the sniffing on purpose and well documented it. goodness knows why they did it though. > [snip dig at america] > > Here's a small list.. .. of mis-quoted DOJ commends from http://toastytech.com/evil/fof.html (have you ever read the real defense response? - i'm sure windows zealots could use the SCO ones for propaganda in the same way you have just done agaisnt microsoft). However, at least we're onto the DOJ anti-trust case.. something which we can agree on ;) Ben, what is point are you trying to make here? Why should we continually bash microsoft? How does it help FOSS? I, too, would like firefox to have a major market share. It would reduce my development time massively due to just being able to develop to a rich set of (fairly) modern standards. But that doesn't mean I need to constantly whine about how bad Microsoft's products are. :) ~ Theo 1 - or to be exact in this exact case, firefox. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html