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Re: [LUG] Fwd: BBC Information [T20051227005TS010Z1157871]

 

For the record, the BBC did do a trial of Ogg streams via Icecast (iirc) a long time ago, I remember having a few contacts at BBC R&D that I met via the old OpenProjects (Freenode) #vorbis channel, I think the guys IRC nick was 'sixxie'. From what I understand, the trials went well but due to downsizing of BBC R&D, they had to let some off the staff and projects go and with it went the Ogg streams as they were a fringe project.

I guess it goes some way to show that the BBC do listen to other techies. You may have also spotted that they are developing a free video codec called Dirac (Open Source, MPL, uses patents, royalty free) which is as yet not completely usable but comparable to (I'm assuming) Mpeg-4 Simple Profile. It is quoted as being better than Ogg Theora, quality wise.

Ruairi

trewornan wrote:

I just recieved a response from the BBC about an email
I sent them suggesting that the Real Audio Codec (as a
closed format) was unsuitable for public service
broadcasting - in particular, for webcasting of the
various BBC radio stations.

Although the response wasn't everything I could have
hoped, I was nevertheless pleasantly surprised. The
BBC seem to be much better informed than I was
expecting and the reply reveals a good understanding
of the issues. I'm convinced they are genuine in their
desire to consider these matters in future development
of their services.

I sent the message from an OpenBSD system but did not
state this and was very surprised that they picked up
it (presumably from the email headers) - quite savvy
really.

The only major area of concern I have is the passage
where he mentions Windows Media Player as an
alternative to Real Player (yuck).

Admittedly it doesn't change the situation now but
overall it seems very positive. Anyway, I thought some
people on this list might be interested and include
the reply below.

Trewornan

Thank you for your e-mail.

I understand you feel the BBC should not use
RealPlayer for its audio streams and note that you
did not receive a response to your previous
correspondence.

For your reference, all complaints can be sent via:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

All comments, suggestions, praise and questions can
be sent at:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/contactus/form.shtml

I acknowledge that you use BSD Unix at home and are
therefore unable to install RealPlayer. However, I
am sure that you can appreciate that this applies to
a very limited number of bbc.co.uk users.

When the BBC first wanted to launch audio and video
on its website, 'streaming' technology was fairly
new and, at the time, RealPlayer was predominantly
used. Consequently we entered into an agreement with
Real to provide the software (for free) to users of
the BBC site.  This free download and help is
available at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/audiohelp_install.shtml.
Since that time, streaming has become more popular
and the number of applications using streaming has
increased, including video streaming on our
www.bbc.co.uk/broadband site. As a result, you and
other users have asked that we consider supporting
other software. The issue faced by the BBC is that
we must add infrastructure for each type of software
supported, and increasing the number of software
applications means an increased cost to license fee
payers.  We are constantly looking to strike a
balance between what our viewers and listeners would
like and spending the licence fee wisely.
Having said that, we appreciate that the current
situation is not ideal. Indeed, we are currently
offering the content of our 'Digital Only' radio
channels, and most of our News and Sport clips and
streams on both Real and Windows Media Player

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/digitalradio/index.shtml?digitalradio).
Regrettably, due to the considerable amount of
content we offer, we currently cannot offer this
across the board.

We have ensured that versions of Real player are
available as free downloads for virtually all types
of hardware and operating system (Windows, Mac,
Linux and more), so that everyone can have access to
our content regardless of the equipment that they
choose to use.

For your information, we conduct ongoing feedback
reviews into what software and applications we use
across the BBC site.  Doing so ensures that we
listen to what our audience wants and your feedback
will be used as part of this process.

Whilst I realise this is not very helpful in the
short-term, I hope it goes some way to assuring you
that we are taking your feedback seriously.  We ask
that you bear with us, as we hope to offer more
content across more platforms in the not-too-distant
future.

We do find that the opinions of our website users
are an invaluable source of feedback. Styles and
policies are continually being assessed and changed
based on feedback from the general public.
Please be assured that your views have been made
available to senior BBC management as well as the
website owners.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact the
BBC.

Regards

Gary Sullivan
BBC Information
______________________________________
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ - World Wide Wonderland



                
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