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I wonder how much a company can save by only connecting a few of the pins in a cable from one Sub-D plug to the other? Anyway, having resorted to pliers, and now having a serial lead that actually connects the relevant pins, it works! This doesn't explain the USB bit, but I have long thought of USB as some form of unfathomable weirdness, and since we have RS232 ports on the relevant machines I can cheerfully ignore it. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe. FAQ: www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html