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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 10 July 2002 11:54 am, Alex Charrett wrote:
debian rules redhat/suse/rpm based distros suckI was going to reply to this, but I really don't feel like expending the effort.
but it's true ;) the grapevine told me redhat goign to be moving to apt in a few major-number releases. rpm's are a nasty, evil, sadistic way of doing things, that works, and it popular because redhat have done so well. dpkg does a lot better job with deps, conflicts, and pre-dependencies, things that rpm's doesn't support *properly* iirc. don't ask for any hard proof behind this statement except my rather bad memory, i'm sure lots if people can give you the technical reasons, and i could once again if i played with redhat, but it's been far to long since i've touched redhat to even remember how it works, let alone build RPM's :p I like redhat as a company, the senior director of engineering there is a really nice and knowlegable guy [1], over lunch a while back we talked about dirction they are going, and i do agree with it, - however... a dist needs to either be aimed *mainly* for the desktop (mandrake, suse, etc) or for the a server (debian, umm, debian, debian, ok,ok, and a few others ;)) redhat are aiming for both, and imo, this is a big mistake. I havn't trusted redhat in any way on servers at all since all the big 7.0 (or was it 7.1?) cock ups. They are also very release orientated, keen to get out a release as quick as possible, not really (by the way they are released) carign too much about quality of it - something that you can't risk on a server, and they do admit that managment imposed deadlines have caused havoc in certian releases. then there is the managment of lots of servers. me and my team look after a large number of linux servers, for Notnet, ANL, AnlX, a bunch of corperate firewalls, all sorts of office installs (samba, dns, gateways, etc, etc), a few random .com's that we contracted for, a large newspaper company [2], and even a few back in greece from an old contract i had. ohh, they are all running debian, properly installed, everyhting on the system in packaged then installed, if compiling from source..... compare this with redhat (*yay!*) and a poor friend of mine, chris [3] who looks after 40 or 50 odd lummox boxen for games-world, a large ISP, and a few customers along with a slightly larger team that i have. I introduced him to debian a fair while back, and rather than wasting time on trying to keep the redhat boxes up2date, secure, and well looked afer, he now spends his time thanking me for introducing him to debian and persuading him to use it instead of pissing around with redhat. ohh, and halping customers with NT4 and converting the boxes one by one from redhat to debian ;) another happy converteee :p ohh. nano rocks. vi and emacs sucks. *duck* :p chill!! ~ Theo, in a "debian is the best, all the rest suck" mood :) ps: incase anyone didn't notice the blairingly obvious, i'm _always_ in a half-hearted mood, please don't take anythign i say in a serious tone ;) it comes from working at home i think. there is no one to take my stess out on at home so i end up balanced on the verge of sanity trying not to go mad. ohh, maybe i've gone mad. do you know when you lost all sanity? [1] http://www.awe.com/mark/ [2] Not the one on the register about war dialing, no :p [3] Ohh dear, help him: http://theo.me.uk/pages.shtml?page=friends#chris - -- Theo Zourzouvillys http://zozo.org.uk/ The Console UI is for hardcore g[r]eeks. Desktops are for monkeys. Monkeys point. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9LDm6448CrwpTn6YRAqAoAKDGCp++I72EZn2WGQZT9QiXywfE4wCePCZH y0vFCUH7rBNvzsGVc22pcJE= =Vt99 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe.