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On 28/08/2025 19:51, Paul Sutton via list wrote:
Hi, Thanks for this. I agree here, I don't really like discord that much either.I think Carmen is looking at self hosting services for this including jitsi. I think it may be difficult to begin with. I am just trying to help / support this initiative and also the lug in general, so not sure what to do.As I said before we have had teens on the lug before and I think as a group we have helped them almost as much as they have helped us. We may still have teens here, or adults with teenagers who use Linux or are interested in related topics.I can see the OSA et-al making a lot more things difficult while not actually addressing the issues. Especially if as people have said it is not very enforceable.Lets see what happens and if anyone here or in our wider communities has suggestions as to how young people can be included then ideas are welcome, that means here or elsewhere.Paul On 28/08/2025 19:35, WaiTsun Yeung wrote:If Matrix is unavailable, I would like to add my two cents about using Discord for online youth meetups.I understand Discord is quite popular for my age group (20s-30s) and the younger generation (I use it myself on a daily basis), but it has a history of adults in Discord groups posing as teenagers trying to influence the sexual behaviours of actual teenagers. And private Discord groups actually make it harder to monitor and report than open ones./Best regards,/ /William (he/his/him)/ /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~//If you find this email at any odd hour, weekend, or holiday, it is because it works with my schedule at this time of the week or because I am sending it from the opposite end of the Earth. //So that// you know, you are not expected to reply outside /regular/ working hours!/2025年8月28日(木) 18:54 Paul Sutton via list <list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>:On 28/08/2025 15:05, Paul Sutton via list wrote: > Thanks Dan, that is very helpful, I feel more confident about being > able to promote. > > End of the day, this is a friendly, inclusive community, helpful > community and I really want the LUG to thrive where others have fallen > off the radar. > > Re ID verification, the only time I can think of this is or was relevant > is when we used to do key signing, and that was rare. > > > Thanks again > > Paul By a rather spooky coincidence, I just spotted this on the Matrix.org official account. We have updated our Homeserver Terms and Privacy Policy. We strongly encourage you to read these documents in full, but for clarity these are some of the main changes: Updated the minimum age requirements for use of the Matrix.org Homeserver to be 18 years old;Introduced new measures to comply with our obligations under theOnline Safety Act and the Digital Services Act; Introduced new payment terms to support paid plans on the Matrix.org Homeserver; Describe the new data processors to support paid plans on the Matrix.org Homeserver.Each of the documents has a detailed version history which we encourageyou to review. The updated Homeserver Terms and Privacy Policy takeeffect on 7 August, 2025. These terms apply to you by continuing to usethe homeserver after that date. If you have any questions please drop us an email to legal@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:legal@xxxxxxxxxx> Matrix.org Homeserver Terms - @matrixdotorg Matrix, the open protocol for secure decentralised communications https://matrix.org/legal/terms-and-conditions/ <https://matrix.org/ legal/terms-and-conditions/> Matrix.org Foundation Privacy Policy - @matrixdotorg Matrix, the open protocol for secure decentralised communications https://matrix.org/legal/privacy-notice/ <https://matrix.org/legal/ privacy-notice/> So just sharing here. Paul > > > On 28/08/2025 14:55, Dan Dart wrote: >> Nothing I can see prevents young people taking part in this. There's>> nothing overtly adult or over-18 about the subject, a general "all>> audiences" theme is good enough. >>>> OSA is actually unenforceable internationally/globally (violates a >> bunch of human rights to privacy and security amongst other things) >> and is not relevant to general audience groups - there's nothing we>> require identity verification for. >> >> It's already being worn down and will have to exist at a far smaller >> scope than the people who invented it wants it to, if at all. >> >> Written to you by human brain and organic thought, >> >> Dan Dart >> _____ >> M: (+44) (0)75 075 91874 >> Callsign: M0ORI >> Software Engineer, Radio Ham, Musician >> >> On Thu, 28 Aug 2025, 12:30 Paul Sutton via list, <list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> <mailto:list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote: >> >> Hi All >> >> Just asking a question here regarding the UK Online Safety Act, does >> this actually prevent young people from taking part in activities >> such>> as Mission Libre, and perhaps even joining groups such as this.>> >> It would be useful to know where people stand on a range of issues in >> respect of the act. >> >> Paul >> >> -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) >> https://zleap.net/ <https://zleap.net/> <https://zleap.net/ <https://zleap.net/>> >> Mastodon : @zleap@xxxxxxxx <mailto:zleap@xxxxxxxx> <mailto:zleap@xxxxxxxx <mailto:zleap@xxxxxxxx>> >> >> -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG >> FAQ: https://www.dcglug.org.uk/faq/ <https:// www.dcglug.org.uk/faq/> <https://www.dcglug.org.uk/faq/ <https:// www.dcglug.org.uk/faq/>> >> >> > -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://zleap.net/ <https://zleap.net/> Mastodon : @zleap@xxxxxxxx <mailto:zleap@xxxxxxxx> -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG FAQ: https://www.dcglug.org.uk/faq/ <https://www.dcglug.org.uk/faq/>
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