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Hi John Thanks for that, 8.04 to 8.10 was the real problem. Perhaps something I did then sorted it. 9.10 Very Gothic! Also Fire Fox has a no enter symbol on its icon on the Panel! (But it works). Makes me consider dropping Debian. Thanks again Peter L-J -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html