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On Sat, 14 May 2005 17:29:16 +0100 Neil Williams wrote:
On Saturday 14 May 2005 4:58 pm, Grant Sewell wrote:I can guarantee that there is nothing on my side of the WAN connection that is playing-up, and when I have taken the lappy into College, I also get the same problems from time-to-time with their ADSL line.That's going to be a busy connection though, isn't it?
Sorry, forgot to mention. This isn't a busy line, maybe 25 concurrent connections at most... upto 15 of which are in my classroom! I wouldn't dream of using the College's main WAN connection - they have some hairy "Novell Border Manager" proxy setup which I still haven't figured out how to use with a Linux box successfully. Now, this ADSL line is pretty much unused most of the time.
My setup has not changed at all in recent months yet each system has recurrently failed to retrieve package lists or individual deb files when upgrading. Obviously I cannot say whether my ISP has changed their setup or not.My setup hasn't changed in years and I've never had two consecutive apt failures, using the same mirrors as you. There's no point going round in circles, your problems are not reproducible so the likelihood is that the problem is not on the Debian servers / mirrors but somewhere between your hard disc and the Debian mirror.
I was just wondering if others were experiencing similar problems since I thought it was a bit of a small probability that 2 x86 Sid machines, 1 x86 Testing and 1 PPC Stable machines would all fall foul of similar connection issues... especially when 1 of the Sid machines (the Laptop) presented with the same problems at two different locations using different ADSL connections.
In the days of dial-up it was trivial to identify ISP problems because everyone had so many different accounts. With broadband, it's almost impossible to pin down problems because users are extremely unlikely to have two simultaneous accounts with different broadband ISP's.
/me considers the prospect of having two broadband ISPs and dismisses it immediately :D
Unfortunately I tend to be in bed, asleep, when my ISP's systems are quietest and so I generally turn off the computers (none of them are Internet visible servers, so I have no need to 24/7 uptime... with the exception of my IPCop box, which isn't Debianised anyway)... I'm not sure it would be worth bothering leaving my machines on overnight purely so that they can update/upgrade on their own.What times are you trying to run it now? Evenings are always the worst - maybe you'll get decent results running it during the working day - before the schoolkids get home.
Usually sometime betweeb 6:30pm and 11:30pm, although occasionally before noon too.
Alternatively, change your ISP - I can run apt whenever I need to and I don't get problems with timing.
I have been toying with the idea, but I'm quite happy with mine as they are. Besides, cost, the uncappedness of the connection and lack of 12month contract are pretty important issues for me.
What about changing your apt config to use FTP instead of HTTP? Maybe there's some cache or proxy messing up the results at the ISP?
I tend to use ftp.uk.debian.org, but I have tried ftp.fr.debian.org too. I have tried to use the "netselect-apt" utility, but it routinely fails complaining about not receiving traceroutes... not really surprising when you're behind two layers of PNAT. Can you suggest a good alternative mirror? I'm happy to try any. Grant. -- Artificial intelligence is no match for nuratal stidutipy. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG Mail majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe list" in the message body to unsubscribe. FAQ: www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html