Re: [LUG] computer stuuuuuuuuufffff

[mr meowski <mr.meowski@xxxxxxxx>]

On 07/11/2019 19:06, Giles Coochey wrote:
> 
> I am growing to accept your approach on these things, and would start to 
> consider it just tolerating your personalty.

Haha, I feel like I just got a massively backhanded compliment there but 
  hey, I'll take it!

You seem quite sold on the processes side of things and for all I know 
are completely correct - it certainly sounds reasonable enough but I 
think I'm beginning to get to the point where I can safely be regarded 
as a bit old fashioned in that sense. I came up in an IT environment 
where all management waffle about such things would be roundly mocked 
and dismissed as word salad before we'd get back to the actual work of 
fixing things in the trenches.

That of course probably says more about me and how things used to be 
back then - I work with some more modern and focussed companies these 
days who genuinely seem to have adapted and actually follow organised 
management policies such as you mention, instead of just pretending to. 
Sounds like you're probably lucky enough to work for one of them.


> I get where you are coming from on this, whenever I introduce a product 
> like this, I like to ensure that I mention:
> 
> (1) It is not my product.
> (2) When it comes to implementing a product that some form of trust 
> needs to be implied between the user and the provdier of that product.
> 
> 
> I had to interject in the talk so many times "if you trust", that I 
> almost think it became a mantra for the talk, and I think it would be a 
> mantra I would repeat in any similar conversation, because that it the 
> crux of the whole privacy thing, if you choose to outsource, or move 
> your traffic elsewhere, you are only moving the point of "trust"


Well I like the cut of your jib then - I love it when people make huge 
sweeping generalizations about everything and forget that it by 
necessity includes them as well. Security vendors are great for this:

"You can't trust anyone!". Well, great, that includes you then geniuses.

"But you can trust us!" Hmm...

Especially in these days of the GDPR and data protection I repeatedly 
warn clients to not just take my word on it - of all people, double 
check your so-called security expert even if it's me. _Especially_ if 
it's me, I don't want to get in trouble later because someone blindly 
accepted the first stupid thing out of my mouth one morning.
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