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> Its not my machine - I will never be able to retrain these people and > they cant afford a new version. > Tom te tom te tom Steal it then. "Microsoft Toolkit" will fake activate any 8.1 volume licensed install and make it technically legitimate. Do I condone "stealing" proprietary software? Mu. Couldn't give a shit either way: that's a philosophical discussion to be had elsewhere. Where it's the only choice between retard end-users suffering out-of-support malware afflicted APT jump-off points or having hacked but up-to-date Win8.1 installs? It's a no-brainer. Call Steve Ballmer, he'll tell you exactly the same thing. Presumably, for some incomprehensible reason (I'd imagine: user is stupid and broke) Linux, which is a much better legal, moral and technical solution, isn't an option. So steal Windows and install it for them. Don't put another broken XP box back on the internet, that shit will be hammering my perimeter endpoints with Chinese rubbish by Tuesday and I'm off work and don't want to have to deal with other people's incompetence. Again, why are you even asking this? Why do you do not know that ClamAV is a joke? Wipe a malware infection with that? For god's sake. I really, really don't mean to be mean. But I'm sick of stupid crap like this. Sort your shit out otherwise you're just part of the problem. Don't try and 'fix' things that will just make stuff worse for all the rest of us. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq