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On 31.03.2014 13:00, Paul Sutton wrote:
On 31/03/14 02:28, Simon Waters wrote:On 28/03/14 14:32, Tom wrote:As my daughters age the missuses requests for some kind of blocking increases. Any recommendations - pcs and android devices!There is no evidence of harmful effects from children who seek out porn, and watch it. Time better spent ensuring your kids are happy to tell you who they are going to see, and where, and when they will be back. And are sensible enough to pick suitable venues when they arrange to meet people they don't know well. And possibly ensuring you can track any electronics they have just in case they (daughters or electronics) get lost, or into trouble.I agree with you here, so its about education and ensuring kids are confident and secure enough to talk to adults. One of the reasons there are calls for this is that is it seen as demeaning, , so take a picture of a female topless, put the word babe next to it and it is branded offensive and demeaning by women, take a picture of a male topless, and put the work hunk next to it and do we men consider that offensive. I wonder how many of the women who look at this would brand the former as offensive.I think the government are more worried about access to harder core material depicting rape etc so should this be blocked or identified and removed or do people have the right to rape, make a video and the publish that on-line ? Maybe if these videos lead to victims being identified and helped, then something good comes of it, but at what price.If you are abused as a child you possibly see your treatment as normal, as in its normal to be "touched" for example, But child abuse and sexual abuse has been happening for decades (if not longer) right under our noses. Before the internet even exisited and before computers existed, Is the Internet being used as a scapegoat and an excuse for censorship, as a way for government to avoid addressing the actual issues and prosecuting those that abuse.Given that if a child discloses being bullied or assaulted by another child to a teacher or staff member nothing in some cases is done to stop it that is effective what chance do we have of giving a child the confidence to disclose abuse by adults which I would hope no one here on this list would ever consider condoning.Paul
On 31.03.2014 04:28, Simon Waters wrote:
Agree, mostly. After all my generation should be a bunch of sadistic killers because of all the "Video Nasties" we watched! Remember them? It's really funny, enlightening and sad to look back and see the amount of newsprint, numbers of academic studies and general pontificating that was devoted to the supposed harm that was being caused by stuff like The Evil Dead. Now of course these flics look like the harmless crud they always were and the moral panic as stupid as the Hayes Code (in Hollywood movies scenes set in marital bedrooms had to show the couple in twin beds).On 28/03/14 14:32, Tom wrote:As my daughters age the missuses requests for some kind of blocking increases. Any recommendations - pcs and android devices!There is no evidence of harmful effects from children who seek out porn, and watch it. It may be hard to convince your missus, but it doesn't matter if the method you choose is largely ineffective, because it simply doesn't matter much. If you make it hard enough, they may spend more time around their friends if they are interested enough, where they are probably in more danger of getting into trouble in such circumstances. We've already had a generation grow up with ready availability of hard core porn on the Internet, and nothing changed much. They were a bit more hard working, and a bit cleverer than my generation, but I suspect that is the Flynn effect, schools, culture and student loans, rather than porn. Time better spent ensuring your kids are happy to tell you who they are going to see, and where, and when they will be back. And are sensible enough to pick suitable venues when they arrange to meet people they don't know well. And possibly ensuring you can track any electronics they have just in case they (daughters or electronics) get lost, or into trouble. Much of this is cultural. When I was young pornography in the UK was very restricted (although teenage boys still found it), but in much of continental Europe it was readily available. As you'll have noticed this led to huge differences between UK and the rest of Europe. If Missus insists, go with the phone company filters on mobile data, and DNS based solutions locally, would be my suggestion. Will it work? No. Will it work as well as many other "solutions"? Yes. Does it matter if it fails? Almost certainly not.
Luckily the moral crusaders never managed to get any seriously damaging, to freedom of expression, the cinema industry etc., onto the books. Something not so certain with this iteration of our traditional moral panic cycle.
Redtube/pornhub et al are the modern equivalent to Health & Efficiency - though I'm sure my father would have been shocked, morally revolted as a parent and felt a failure as a guardian had he caught us ogling a copy (OK I just realised it was harmful, must be the reason conjugal relations are impossible for me without a game of naked volleyball first!).
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