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Hi Looking up the SysRq key I found the following which may be useful http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-617349.html Its essentially saying how to use alt-SysRq to shutdown and restart if X decides to throw a wobbly and not allow input. I would recommend reading the whole first part of this thread, as if I quote it ends up being taken out of context, I just thought it may be useful, while its on ubuntu forums I think most distros enable this anyway. It would be nice to have a talk on this at some point, so more of this rather hidden but very useful part of the kernel can be discussed further. Paul -- Paul Sutton Cert SLPS (Open) http://www.zleap.net 17th September 2011 - Software freedom day -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/listfaq