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> I will have to sue them. Mwuhahaha. I'm not being serious. > However, I will strongly disagree with you when you say it's more reliable - and > that's not just because I make money from selling SIP. Well, it works for me, and SIP doesn't without messing around. I'm not saying connections are reliable, they drop off often > You do not need to mess about with NAT and port-forwards to make standards based > VoIP work Do show me how I can simply call someone and have it route. > who are these 3rd partys? 3rd parties are unavoidable sometimes. If I could run my own, I would. But I don't have the time or resources and will just have to put up with being spied on. That's why I use Google, their services are goos, and I don't care what they do (though that may change soon due to secrets - but I can just use PGP) -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html