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Hi I know that odf is iso 26300 research has revealded that pdf is 32000 I am looking for similar numbers for any of the MS formats, (i know they probably don't exist) Like it or not people seeem to insist that MS is some sort of standard, I would like to put more in my sig (I can add pdf), but if I also add ms office format - iso = unknown it may drop a hint, and stop people chewing my ear regarding MS formats which they insist on using, and also insist are some sort of standard, the more people see ISO xyz next to something the more they will realise we are not anti-microsoft, but actually pro ISO standards, and open standards. Can anyone help, a google search for ISO and Microsoft, does not reveal much except reports relating to ISO rejecting MS formats. May also help other users. Paul -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Support Open and ISO standard file formats ISO 26300 odf http://www.odfalliance.org Next Linux User Group meet : Feb 7th : 3pm (TBC), Shoreline Cafe Paignton -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html