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I got my viglen updated to Xubuntu 8.04 , swap added etc. I just used the 'users and groups' gui to try and add some proper users, change the passwords etc and got no users listed? I closed the thing and then tried to do some other stuff - lots of complaints about no root user. Thought I'd close my X session and now cant do anything. No users seem to exist and I can log on as anything! err wot now.. ????? Tom te tom te tom -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html