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On Wednesday 30 July 2008 10:57, Neil Williams wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 10:11 +0100, Tom Potts wrote: > > I dont know if anyone out there uses Kubuntu but the latest kernel > > (...20.4 > > 20 ? > > Shouldn't you be on 2.6.25 by now? The .25 series have improved wireless > card support (the b43 driver for broadcom stuff has improved immensely). I just use the standard upgrades - I've done the 'must have the latest' and and as I'm developing myself as a Linux 'dealer' and forcing peole to take old machines its nice (??) to experience the same problems as them. > > As far as kernels and driver support, there shouldn't be any difference > between Ubuntu, KUbuntu or any other flavour - it is the age of the I think theres a few mods to bits for 'optimising' for a certain distribution so theres always a bit of a lag before Kubuntu catches up with Ubuntu. > distro that likely determines the latest kernel available and you might > be better served with Debian testing as it will continually update. > > I'm beginning to wish that Ubuntu had a rolling update distro like > testing or unstable because, to me, the version of the distro should I think you can point to the development supositories if you want. > only affect the installation. As long as you have a sufficiently recent > installer that the hardware is recognised and the install can proceed, > all should be well. After installation, it should be trivial to choose > whichever rolling update you want (or remain on 'stable'). Having to > install Hardy and then be stuck with Hardy until you do another install > (or upgrade from the installer which is the same thing) is just so > Windows-esque. After all, it is only a question of a symlink in the > repository - release Lenny and the etch symlink moves to point at > oldstable, the lenny symlink points to stable, the symlink for the next > release points to testing and sid remains as is. I'm sure Ubuntu could > do the same if they wanted. > > Then you could install Dapper (if your hardware is old enough to be > recognised by the Dapper installer) and upgrade to Intrepid without all > the upgrades in between. OK, it's not quite as trivial as that - > upgrading from Sarge to Etch had a few glitches and Etch to Lenny might > have a few such glitches. > > It would make much more sense, to me, for people to be just running > "Ubuntu" (as the original email stated) instead of "Ubuntu Hardy" or > "Ubuntu Gutsy" as if these are somehow isolated distributions that > between which users are unable to migrate. I'm not sure about that - there seems to be a lot of people out there who refuse to run Hardy cos it looks like a complete dog. Kubuntu Hardy is lot easier on the eye and while we do waste too mcuh time on style without content in this world (Fistula?) it is important to those who dont actually know how to use a computer. > > > i > > think) seems to chuck out your wireless cards !! > > Booting the ...19.. kernel gets it back thanks goodness! > > If this is ndiswrapper, that is probably why. Proprietary drivers are > horrendous and if a newer kernel has integrated free software support, > it is always, always, better to use that. > > It is bad enough having to use closed-source firmware (as you still need Not when its free! > to do with b43) but the only remaining problem I have with my b43 is > that it only comes out of hibernation once; hibernate again and it fails > to recover - forcing either a cable network connection or a reboot. > (During the reboot, the wireless card also causes a kernel error - due > to the closed source firmware.) Laptop reboots aren't exactly a problem > though - coming out of hibernation takes only 5 seconds less than a full > reboot. The hassle comes if you have apps open at the time of > hibernation. They really should dump 'temporary' files to the disk but never seem to. Networking state is a problem too! Its hard enough to get people to understand Unix signals without adding a SIG_HIBERNATE (dont think SIG_HUP) is enough here. > > The only reason that my desktop machine ever gets a reboot is so that I > don't have to leave it running whilst I am away on conferences. e-conference in your local pub! Tom te tom te tom -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html