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David Bell wrote: > Depends on what you mean by "advertising". By using the word "advert" you are > inferring commercial practice. Not actually correct. My initial thought was 'No an advert is just a means of calling attention to the existence of a product or service in a favourable light', and then I found this: http://www.yourdictionary.com/advert ad·vert· (ad vʉrt*′*, ədvʉrt) intransitive verb to call attention or turn one's attention (/to/); refer or allude No mention of commercial practise at all. The only reason, I believe, this has come about is from the UK adopting the American practise of calling the breaks between TV programmes et al 'commercials' instead of the traditional 'ads' or 'adverts'. > Just as they have for Vista. Only for different good reasons. Does anyone, > apart from M$ and their lacky's, have a good word for Vista? > Yes.. 'cra..' oh sorry you meant an *actual* good word as opposed to accurate word :) > >> Advertising only works if the product works. >> > > (Again) There are perhaps the odd million or so users out there who think so. > Advertising is aimed at selling the product. Whether the product *works* is an after-sales problem. If the product was supposed to work reliably *before* advertising then we would still be waiting for Windows 1. > >> ..... we need hardware >> corporations to support free software drivers to fuel consumer demand >> with devices that work. >> > > Agreed but, icing on the cake for many users. > Also agreed. We need the users converted to Linux *first* and then convert them to a fully free solution. Trying to get the fully free solution first is a 'cart before the horse' situation IMHO. >> Freedom is the most important element in the whole mechanism. >> Compatibility is insufficient because only free software can provide >> support for the future. >> > > This I humbly submit has little to do with advertising the existence of > GNU/Linux. Build up a "huge" user base and we could well see a change. > Leave it to bumble away as a perceived system for "nerds" and it will > stagnate, in the N. Hemisphere anyway. > I think we're back to the old divide between evangelising freedom versus the desire to entice users away from Windows. I don't think you can do both at the same time, and if you try you will succeed in neither. I would agree with getting users onto Linux *first* before anything else. > Depends what you want. Joe/kate Bloggs aren't into the ethics of open/closed > software and will use whatever is to hand, being "free as in beer" is a huge > bonus/attraction when they can't afford their mortgage or whatever, let alone > M$. > > Definitely agreed. The average user wants something that works, and yes as easy as Windows. Free as in beer is a major bonus. Free as in 'freedom' is a concept they would need to be introduced to *later*. Kind regards, Julian -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html