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Thanks for all the suggestions.... I thought I had it for a few hours today.... I stopped a lot of services that I wasn't using and it was ok for a few hours.... then off it went again.... and- no- none of the services had restarted.... Nothing out of place in dmesg..... doesn't seem to be a networking problem... I've had tcpdump running both when it works and when it doesn't..... The console responds a little slower than usual during dozes but most network connections are refused. I haven't opened the box to look for bad caps..... perhaps I'll try that early tomorrow morning. James -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html