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In what way do they fail? what happens if you use a live cd and e2fsck after the failed install? if knoppix works, have you tried installing that to the hard disk? > Is there a way to perform a low level format on the disc, (below the partitioning > level), I think the next layer down from partitions would involve a screwdriver and a clean room. >or will I just have to scrape my pennies together and get a new hard disc :( 80 gigs is £25 at ebuyer. -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html