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On Sat, 2007-05-05 at 11:42 +0100, Simon Robert wrote: > Does this mean that e-books can never be property? Does software only > become property if the code has been printed in a book? The use of the term property muddles the whole thing up. If we use the term we sign up to "Intellectual Property" and the muddle some Americans seem to be forcing on the world for their advantage so they can apply rules from one sector to another, hypnotising people into agreement when they haven't examined the assumptions and core concepts in each of the (3) main zones. Books/literature/created works are covered by copyright. If a book/printed work is stolen then yes it was property stolen and has value as such. So if someone steals my daughter's Harry Potter books, it is the value of the printed books I attempt to recover. I never had any rights, nor does the thief, over the actual work itself. If they absorb some of it into a supposedly new work, they are guilty of plagiarism. james kilty http://www.kilty.demon.co.uk -- The Mailing List for the Devon & Cornwall LUG http://mailman.dclug.org.uk/listinfo/list FAQ: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/linux_adm/list-faq.html